Time for inspiration
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„You need to keep the inspiration tank filled so that when you're ready, when that project comes and you need to start right away, you can instantly sort of turn the key, the car starts, and go.“
Matthew Balon, 16:57
Ronald M. Arndt nimmt mit Matthew Balon, Head of Design bei Ruby Hotels, den ersten HOTEL-PODCAST auf Englisch auf, in einem Zimmer des Ruby Lilly in München. Balon erklärt, was Lean Luxury für die Gestaltung bedeutet: Innenstadtlage ohne eigenes Restaurant, kleinere Zimmer mit echten Materialien, in den öffentlichen Bereichen fast nur Vintage-Möbel. Dazu erzählt er, wie jedes Haus die Geschichte seines Standorts aufnimmt und warum er sich bewusst Zeit für Inspiration nimmt.
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Kernaussagen
- Lean Luxury im Grundriss: Weil die Häuser in guten Innenstadtlagen stehen, baut Ruby keine Restaurantküche ein, sondern verweist auf die Restaurants ringsum. Auch Roomservice und Wäscheservice gibt es nicht, die Bar bleibt.
- Echte Materialien: Die Zimmer sind kleiner geschnitten, dafür soll das, was hineinkommt, die beste erreichbare Qualität haben. Was wie Holz aussieht, ist auch Holz und nicht Plastik.
- Geschichte des Gebäudes: Jedes Haus erzählt die Geschichte seines Standorts, manchmal sogar nur die des Gebäudes. Im Ruby Mimi in Zürich ist das Thema Stummfilm und erste Kinos, weil dort eines der ersten Kinos der Stadt war.
- Vintage statt Neukauf: In den öffentlichen Bereichen sind Möbel und Dekoobjekte überwiegend Vintage. Balon will Dinge nutzen, die schon da sind, und keine herstellen, die später weggeworfen werden.
- Inspiration als Tank: Balon nimmt sich Zeit für Inspiration, im Urlaub und in der Arbeit. Ist der Tank leer, kostet jedes neue Projekt zusätzliche Zeit, bis er überhaupt anfangen kann.
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One of my last year's resolutions was to publish the first Hotel-Podcast in English.
Having watched a documentary about how the city of New York regained its creative vibe after the Covid crisis, my big dream has been to go there one day and record some great Hotel-Podcast episodes in the best hotels across the Atlantic.
This is quite an ambitious goal, which needs proper time and preparation. However, I’m a bit impatient so in the meantime, I’ve decided to invite Matthew Balon from Ruby Hotels and he kindly accepted my request to speak in his mother tongue.
Our conversation takes place in one of the hotel rooms of the Ruby Lilly Hotel & Bar in Munich and Matthew explains to me where his inspiration as the Head of Design comes from.
Furthermore, he elaborates on how to recycle materials in order to develop a more sustainable hotel and what can be left in hotel rooms to follow their very own strategy of “Lean Luxury”.
Overall, it’s a good start into my new adventure and the first step toward my New York goal. We definitely must see each other again for the continuation of this lovely, yet way too short conversation. Why not in the Princes Street of Edinburgh?
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- 00:07 Ronald M. Arndt
Come here, come closer. So you really feel like at home here? Yeah, I do.
- 00:15 Matthew Balon
I do.
- 00:15 Ronald M. Arndt
Yeah, me as well. It's a good sign that we are here in the hotel room and not in the lobby. Yes, because this means that there's too much trouble, too much party, too much energy in the lobby.
- 00:25 Matthew Balon
Yeah.
- 00:25 Ronald M. Arndt
So that we have to record the Hotel-Podcast here.
- 00:28 Matthew Balon
Well, I'm glad it worked out. Yeah, the rooms are designed to be calming and kind of a quiet oasis within the big city. So I think it's a great place to talk.
- 00:36 Ronald M. Arndt
And it's even a 24/7— no, 24/7? Yeah, bar?
- 00:39 Matthew Balon
Yes.
- 00:40 Ronald M. Arndt
Yeah, 24/7 bar. Okay, perhaps that's why. Okay, you know what? I promised myself to leave my comfort zone and to record at least one English hotel podcast within this year.
- 00:53 Matthew Balon
Okay.
- 00:54 Ronald M. Arndt
And it's not the only reason that you're here because—
- 00:56 Matthew Balon
But it's a reason.
- 00:58 Ronald M. Arndt
You're not the only one I found who's native English, but it's a very, very good reason.
- 01:05 Matthew Balon
Yeah, I'm happy to be your guinea pig and help you along on this project.
- 01:10 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay, you are my guinea pig. Thanks for that. It's not the best English, it's only school English. I lived in France, studied in France, my French is much better, but one day I have to start.
- 01:22 Matthew Balon
Yeah, that's exactly right. I think you just gotta make it happen and go out there and do it. So I'm glad I can help.
- 01:28 Ronald M. Arndt
Your German is so good.
- 01:30 Matthew Balon
Thank you.
- 01:31 Ronald M. Arndt
And perhaps we can just keep it as a backup plan if—
- 01:33 Matthew Balon
Yes.
- 01:34 Ronald M. Arndt
If I don't understand, so let's switch to German. Okay. And yeah, the audience, if you don't like my unprofessional English, please don't leave any bad comment. If you do so, I will ban you from the subscriber list. So for sure. Okay. So we are here at the Ruby Hotel. It's not the only Ruby Hotel in Munich. I think there are There are—
- 02:01 Matthew Balon
well, Ruby Lilly here was our third hotel.
- 02:03 Ronald M. Arndt
Ruby Lilly, okay.
- 02:03 Matthew Balon
So this property we opened about 6 years ago. And now we've opened since then hotels all over Germany, in the UK, in Switzerland as well.
- 02:15 Ronald M. Arndt
But it started in Austria, I think.
- 02:17 Matthew Balon
We started in Austria. So our first 2 hotels were in Vienna.
- 02:20 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay, in Vienna.
- 02:22 Matthew Balon
Yeah. And from there, it just expanded. So we started kind of in German-speaking countries, but then With our first project in London, that was actually our first project that we ran completely in English. So speaking about language learning, it was definitely a learning curve for some people on the team and, you know, getting all of our documentation translated.
- 02:41 Ronald M. Arndt
So, okay. Yeah. Yeah.
- 02:42 Matthew Balon
Okay.
- 02:43 Ronald M. Arndt
Now you, you go to Scotland, to Edinburgh, I think?
- 02:45 Matthew Balon
We do. Yeah. I'm really excited about a hotel we just signed off on in Scotland because it just has such an amazing location in Princes Street. And you're really kind of in the heart of Edinburgh. You can see the castle. I mean, it's just, it couldn't be a nicer location. So we're looking forward to it. Yeah.
- 03:03 Ronald M. Arndt
And for you, do you like it to work in English again, or if there's some suppliers on site?
- 03:09 Matthew Balon
You know, it's fun. It's fun. We definitely, working in the UK, working in Ireland, you know, I noticed the differences too, just within English of what we call things. So sometimes we're all sort of sitting around the table trying to decide which English word are we going to use for what thing, you know. But it's It's fun. Yeah, it's good.
- 03:28 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay. And when did you join the company?
- 03:31 Matthew Balon
So I joined the company just shy of 6 years ago.
- 03:36 Ronald M. Arndt
6 years. Okay.
- 03:36 Matthew Balon
So yeah, at that point they were just opening this hotel, their 3rd property. It was kind of coming out of that startup phase and transitioning into something different, which is, I think, a really interesting time to join a company. So it was definitely kind of in that building and building up what was already there.
- 03:53 Ronald M. Arndt
That was kind But I think in your childhood you planned to play in an orchestra. Yeah?
- 03:58 Matthew Balon
Yes.
- 03:59 Ronald M. Arndt
That's something I found out about you.
- 04:01 Matthew Balon
Yes. So when I was a kid, when I was little, and when I was a teenager, I thought I was going to be a professional musician. And so I—
- 04:09 Ronald M. Arndt
And now how do you call your job here?
- 04:11 Matthew Balon
So now in German they would say Innenarchitekt, which is an interior architect. So I went to university here in Munich, went to the fine arts school here and studied here. And then ended up just staying kind of.
- 04:23 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay, and you like it? I do like it.
- 04:25 Matthew Balon
Yeah, very much so.
- 04:26 Ronald M. Arndt
You like Munich? I do, yeah. Is there another city you like as well?
- 04:29 Matthew Balon
In Germany?
- 04:30 Ronald M. Arndt
Germany?
- 04:30 Matthew Balon
Oh gosh, there's lots of cities I like. We have a hotel in Hamburg, and that was— Hamburg, I think, is such an interesting city because there's so many different sides to it. You know, you sort of have the industrial harbor area and the old city. So I think that's a really, really interesting city, probably my number 2 in Germany.
- 04:49 Ronald M. Arndt
Where do you get to— I said where, but it's French, so sorry. So I think you always get a lot of inspiration from the surrounding of the hotel.
- 05:00 Matthew Balon
We do.
- 05:01 Ronald M. Arndt
So if you say Hamburg and industrial area, I think that the hotel looks a little bit like it has to be a Hamburg hotel.
- 05:09 Matthew Balon
It's important for us that each hotel that we do tells the story of that area and that location. We spend a lot of time researching each location, researching each building we're working with to find a story that we want to share with the guests, to kind of explain, you know, to them what has happened on that spot through history. And that's a lot of fun. I really enjoy that.
- 05:31 Ronald M. Arndt
Not only in the city or even in the area, you know?
- 05:36 Matthew Balon
Yeah, sometimes it's very specific to the building. So for example, the Hotel Ruby Mimi in Zurich, was located in one of the first cinemas, actually, in Zurich. And so the story we're telling there is the story of sort of the first cinemas and silent films. So that story is very specific to that building even. So sometimes it depends. We'll maybe look at the region, but we might actually look at a specific building as well.
- 06:02 Ronald M. Arndt
Is there any theme, any topic you're still looking for, but you want to—
- 06:07 Matthew Balon
No, you know, I think each location—
- 06:10 Ronald M. Arndt
But it's because it's always a surprise.
- 06:12 Matthew Balon
Yeah, each one is very different.
- 06:13 Ronald M. Arndt
First is a building, and then you find out what's around and what story is behind.
- 06:17 Matthew Balon
Yeah. So, you know, sometimes if you're working with a listed property, the building might have a really interesting history, but some of the buildings we work with are maybe newer, or we might do a new construction project. So you— the starting point is always very different for us.
- 06:31 Ronald M. Arndt
And at the moment you're working on the Stock Scotland project, or are there any other projects? Yeah, I think— how many hotels do you have so far? 15? Around 15 or 16, 17, something?
- 06:44 Matthew Balon
Yeah, not quite. So currently—
- 06:46 Ronald M. Arndt
The same amount you've got in the pipeline?
- 06:48 Matthew Balon
Something like that.
- 06:49 Ronald M. Arndt
Yeah.
- 06:50 Matthew Balon
So right now we're currently working on our second hotel in London called Ruby Zoe at Notting Hill Gate, which is a great property. And then we're also working on a third hotel in London called Ruby Stella. We're working on a hotel in Stuttgart at the moment.
- 07:04 Ronald M. Arndt
No, that's where I come from.
- 07:06 Matthew Balon
Hotel and workspaces.
- 07:07 Ronald M. Arndt
That's the first time. Nice.
- 07:09 Matthew Balon
It's in the Gerber Shopping Center.
- 07:10 Ronald M. Arndt
In the Gerber Center?
- 07:12 Matthew Balon
Yeah.
- 07:12 Ronald M. Arndt
Ah, it's a center, a shopping center that never worked.
- 07:15 Matthew Balon
So—
- 07:16 Ronald M. Arndt
Exactly. That's why we need a hotel.
- 07:17 Matthew Balon
We need a hotel there and we're building a great hotel there. Okay.
- 07:19 Ronald M. Arndt
No, it's better to have these shops. It's better to have these— no, a hotel instead of all these shops that didn't work. Nice.
- 07:27 Matthew Balon
Okay.
- 07:28 Ronald M. Arndt
So it's a good location, very close to the city center. Well, it's the city center.
- 07:31 Matthew Balon
It is. Yeah. You can really walk to everything in the middle of Stuttgart from there. And we're also working on a hotel in Florence at the moment, which is—
- 07:38 Ronald M. Arndt
In Italy, Florence?
- 07:39 Matthew Balon
Beautiful building.
- 07:40 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay.
- 07:40 Matthew Balon
Yeah. So also a historic building and our first project in Italy. So that's been very, very exciting as well.
- 07:48 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay, cool. No, I'm really looking forward that so many new hotels coming to Stuttgart because there was nothing. Now Althoff just closed, Althoff am Schlossgarten, 5-star hotel, and to get renovated, they will open In 3 years, I think, again. And nice to have another.
- 08:04 Matthew Balon
Yeah, it's interesting how some cities kind of, they have a very specific hotel market. So when we moved into Florence and I was kind of researching Florence and seeing kind of, you know, what other brands are there, what's the hotel market like, I just had the impression, you know, there wasn't a whole lot going on. And now 25 Hours has opened a great property in Florence. That's really cool. And I feel like it's just kind of starting to turn. But it seemed like before then, for a long time, it had kind of been sort of that Yeah, sort of dusty 4 or 5-star hotels. So it's fun to break into those markets and feel like you've got something really special to add to the mix.
- 08:36 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay. When I first discovered your website of Ruby Hotels, I think it was in 2018 when I worked for a French OTA in Aix-en-Provence, Voyage Free. That was the first contact with some of you guys. There was the expression, and it's still the same expression today, lean luxury. What does it mean for— What does it mean? A very general question, but it's an interesting term, so that's why.
- 09:01 Matthew Balon
It is, and it's really something that each team at Ruby has— interprets in their own special way.
- 09:11 Ronald M. Arndt
I think so, yeah.
- 09:13 Matthew Balon
So for us—
- 09:13 Ronald M. Arndt
It's not only about design.
- 09:15 Matthew Balon
It's not only about design, it's really about sort of, you know, operations and marketing. It really kind of carries through to all the different hotel It's interesting what you say. So for us, what that means for interior design, if you're looking at architecture, is, you know, we've really had to put a lot of thought into what do we want to offer the guests, what do our guests really need, and what do they don't— what don't they need. So for example, it's really important for us to have hotels that are in great inner-city locations. So that means We don't need to have a restaurant because there's tons of great restaurants right outside the hotel, and our guests want to go out and explore the city. So we can give them some great restaurant recommendations, but we don't have to build a restaurant kitchen into the hotel. So that means for us—
- 10:01 Ronald M. Arndt
Only the bar, that's important.
- 10:02 Matthew Balon
We have a bar. Yeah, the bar is important.
- 10:04 Ronald M. Arndt
So that directly from the bar you can—
- 10:06 Matthew Balon
Yeah, exactly.
- 10:06 Ronald M. Arndt
Fall down.
- 10:07 Matthew Balon
But, you know, so that means on the lean side, you know, we don't have to, you know, use space for the restaurant. We just have the bar, and that's one of the things we felt like was really important is, you know, the guests, you want a great bed, you want a great shower, a great bar.
- 10:22 Ronald M. Arndt
And so what do you don't need?
- 10:26 Matthew Balon
So for example, the hotel restaurant we don't have. We don't have maybe other services you might find in a 5-star hotel like a laundry service, or, you know, there's no room service because those are all things that you can find sort of in the surrounding area. So And also in terms of the rooms and the way we designed the rooms, we're very conscious of using space wisely. So the rooms are on a smaller scale. But what we put into the rooms, it's really important to us to offer the best quality that we can and truly be honest and genuine about it. So if you see something and it looks like wood, that means it's actually wood. It's not plastic or something.
- 11:04 Ronald M. Arndt
Is there any project in Asia as well, or have there been any plans? in the past, I think.
- 11:09 Matthew Balon
Well, I mean, I think there's always plans to go different places, but, um, as of yet we're focusing on, on the European market.
- 11:16 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay, so you don't have to take care of Asian design and, uh, would be too complicated. Um, but you originally come from Chicago, from the Chicago area, and you moved here to Europe, to Germany, in your early 20s.
- 11:32 Matthew Balon
I did, yes. Um, so I, I got— my wife is German. I got married, uh, very young, and—
- 11:40 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay.
- 11:41 Matthew Balon
We, we got married—
- 11:42 Ronald M. Arndt
So that's the reason why you're still here, or it's another reason?
- 11:44 Matthew Balon
Partially. It's kind of a complicated story.
- 11:47 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay, tell us.
- 11:47 Matthew Balon
I met my wife in France, actually.
- 11:49 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay.
- 11:49 Matthew Balon
Speaking of, you know, we talked about France earlier, but, um, basically we got married in the US. We got married very young.
- 11:55 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay.
- 11:56 Matthew Balon
And, you know, going to university is really expensive in the United States.
- 12:00 Ronald M. Arndt
Yeah, okay. And it's very cheap here.
- 12:02 Matthew Balon
And I didn't have a budget for university. And in Germany, you know, my wife was like, well, you know, if we, if we move back to Germany, you could go to university for free.
- 12:08 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay.
- 12:09 Matthew Balon
And I was like, well, you know, that fits the budget.
- 12:11 Ronald M. Arndt
Yeah, that sounds good. It's a, it's a lean luxury strategy.
- 12:15 Matthew Balon
Yeah, it was. Um, so that was the lean part. And, um, so we worked together for a year to, to prepare, and I had learned German in that year. And you have to take a German as a foreign language test, which is quite challenging, quite difficult.
- 12:30 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay, to start in a German university.
- 12:32 Matthew Balon
To study at a German university, yeah. And then, you know, you have to put together sort of a portfolio of work and turn that in and do all kinds of tests. So it was a long process to kind of get me here.
- 12:41 Ronald M. Arndt
But when I started in France, they even didn't ask me if I speak French or not.
- 12:45 Matthew Balon
Yeah, it's—
- 12:46 Ronald M. Arndt
The first day I was there, but I didn't understand anything.
- 12:49 Matthew Balon
Yeah, I mean, even though it's a very international environment at the fine arts school here in Munich still, I mean, I do think it's a good thing that you can sort of know the basics of a language.
- 12:58 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay. And yeah. Yeah.
- 13:00 Matthew Balon
And then after university, we just kind of stayed in the Munich area. I had found a job right off the bat and my wife as well. So yeah.
- 13:10 Ronald M. Arndt
Cool, cool, cool. We're happy here. I talked to another colleague of you and he told me that there's a campaign around tattoos or a recruiting campaign.
- 13:23 Matthew Balon
Yeah.
- 13:24 Ronald M. Arndt
Do you have any tattoos?
- 13:25 Matthew Balon
I do.
- 13:26 Ronald M. Arndt
Yeah?
- 13:27 Matthew Balon
It wasn't in connection with that campaign. No, but it's a great thing. I think Ruby is all—
- 13:33 Ronald M. Arndt
You were the guinea pig again, huh?
- 13:35 Matthew Balon
No, I was not. Not that time.
- 13:37 Ronald M. Arndt
For the Ruby tattoo.
- 13:38 Matthew Balon
No, but I think for Ruby, it's really about being yourself and feeling like you can be yourself in a work environment. So it's really sort of a come as you are. And I think it is a great idea to support that and to encourage people to be themselves. So, you know, that's what we're looking for in the hosts and the people who are working in the hotels is that authenticity. So I think anything we can do to support that is a good thing.
- 14:04 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay, cool. No, very good idea. It was Michael Struck who founded the company in 2013.
- 14:10 Matthew Balon
Yes.
- 14:10 Ronald M. Arndt
He's still on board, yeah?
- 14:12 Matthew Balon
He is, yes.
- 14:13 Ronald M. Arndt
How often do you see him, guys?
- 14:14 Matthew Balon
Well, Michael, he's really interested in design, and he put a lot of thought into developing the design of the first couple hotels. So we're always talking about design. We're talking about, you know, the new projects and looking at where we want to take things. We're also looking at sort of— we're constantly working on adapting the product we have and making it as good as it can be. So, yeah, we talk very regularly. And it's, you know, we— a lot of times it feels like we're not necessarily seeing one another here in Munich, but we'll be, you know, on the job site London, and then I'll see him, you know, in Vienna or something. So it's always connected to the projects that we're doing.
- 14:55 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay. So, yeah, a question that is quite important today, but if you, whenever you plan or design a hotel, are there any sustainability aspects you take into consideration today? Perhaps today, but not a few years ago?
- 15:12 Matthew Balon
Definitely.
- 15:13 Ronald M. Arndt
Or is there any You have to, perhaps?
- 15:17 Matthew Balon
Yeah, so I mean, depending on how the project is structured, there's some projects, new build projects, where the architecture of the building is trying to achieve a certain standard, which means there are things we do to help the architects achieve that standard. But in terms of interior design, I think more and more you know, we use in our public areas almost all vintage furnishings. So for me, that's about using things that are already here and not creating things that will get thrown away.
- 15:50 Ronald M. Arndt
Yeah.
- 15:50 Matthew Balon
So I think, you know, all of the decorative objects that we use, all the furniture is predominantly vintage. And then again, coming back to kind of the thing of using real materials, I think if you're not using complicated materials that contain a lot of plastics or contain elements that can't be recycled, It's just generally easier to recycle them. So I think having an authenticity with the materials that you're using and seeing where you can pull in vintage elements instead of buying something new, that's kind of our twofold focus on sustainability, just from an interior design standpoint.
- 16:28 Ronald M. Arndt
Where did you get the inspiration from? So in general, do you read a lot of magazines or do you travel?
- 16:37 Matthew Balon
I travel, I mean, a lot for work. You know, we're always going on different job sites and seeing different things. And for me, it's important to really, to take time for inspiration. I think—
- 16:50 Ronald M. Arndt
Do you have enough time for this?
- 16:51 Matthew Balon
I make time for it because if I'm not inspired—
- 16:54 Ronald M. Arndt
During holidays or during work? So is it part of your—
- 16:57 Matthew Balon
Both, both really. I mean, I think it's about going through the world with your eyes open. But, you know, if I'm not inspired, if I'm not feeling creative, then I can't be producing the best possible work I can be producing. So it's important to really focus on inspiration. I think it's one of those things that's kind of like, like driving a car. You need to keep the inspiration tank filled so that when you're ready, when that project comes and you need to start right away, you can instantly sort of turn the key, the car starts, and go.
- 17:23 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay.
- 17:24 Matthew Balon
But if your car is always on empty and you always have to then find inspiration and fill up the tank before you can start your trip—
- 17:30 Ronald M. Arndt
Good point.
- 17:31 Matthew Balon
It just adds time to the process. So I think It's crucial to constantly keep yourself inspired and really invest in that.
- 17:40 Ronald M. Arndt
Okay, very good point. Yeah.
- 17:43 Matthew Balon
That's how I do it.
- 17:44 Ronald M. Arndt
Yeah, it's going well, our first English Hotel Podcast.
- 17:48 Matthew Balon
I've understood every question. No, no, no.
- 17:54 Ronald M. Arndt
Yeah. So it's been a big, big pleasure having you here on the Hotel Podcast.
- 18:01 Matthew Balon
Yeah, my pleasure.
- 18:02 Ronald M. Arndt
Is there anything you want to add?
- 18:03 Matthew Balon
Um, well, I think we just recommend, you know, if you haven't checked out one of our hotels, or, you know, come by for— come by for a drink and check out the brand. We've got, you know, locations in Düsseldorf and Cologne and Hamburg, here in Munich.
- 18:20 Ronald M. Arndt
So very nice locations.
- 18:22 Matthew Balon
Yeah, great locations. Great. Also great locations within the cities. Like we were talking about being able to walk everywhere. So It's kind of perfect for the weekend trip, perfect for business trips. So come check us out.
- 18:32 Ronald M. Arndt
And enjoy the nice design and the lean luxury.
- 18:35 Matthew Balon
Yes.
- 18:36 Ronald M. Arndt
Yeah, in the end. Matthew, thanks a lot.
- 18:38 Matthew Balon
Thank you. My pleasure.
- 18:39 Ronald M. Arndt
See you soon.
- 18:40 Matthew Balon
All right. Take care.